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Black Market Cigarettes
GrommieApr 04, 25
The price of cigarettes in New Zealand has now hit $50 a packet., of which 80% is tax. Successive governments have pushed the tax up to try to reduce the incidence of smoking in the NZ population.
It has spawned a black market, some of which is illegal importation, others have come onto the market as a result of corner shop burglaries.
What is the experience of other countries? Are your smoking stats reducing? Why?
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  • Sherri 1644091
    Do people reliance how I attracted it looks.
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    • writerrochelle
      I've never smoked 'anything' in my life! I have heard the number of smokers is dropping though because they put some pretty scary commercials on TV about what smoking can do to your body! ;-D
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      • Crazy Nanny
        I am happy I was never interested in smoking.
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        • Frank K 593543
          Money goes up in smoke.
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          • Tupulua S
            dried tobacco leaves are cheaper if you are desperate
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            • Claude H
              I don't smoke
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              • Cynthia 1521546
                I still smoke my cigarettes are just 5.00 a pack.
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                • Kellie 1654872
                  What? In what country?
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              • Jeremy V
                Non-Smoker but the price of smokes in Australia are $60 and up, New Zealand sounds like they are about 15% cheaper there or more. I think Australia pay the most in Smoke Tax then any other Country in the World. So we are getting a raw deal that is for sure and encourages illegal activity to counter it. The Government need to pull their heads in before it gets out f hand and it's well on the way that way already.
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                • Bex
                  Same here in Australia. There are about 4-5 shops in my suburb that sell under the counter smokes. They just seem to be popping up all over the place. The Government was the catalyst for the heavily increasing black market when they kept bumping up the taxes.
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                  • Lady Flamingo
                    Thank God I never took up smoking!
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                    • KARL-HANS B
                      I don't smoke but in Australia it can as Match then 60 the government is stupid to change so match taxes the inviting the gangster to make the money
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                      • John 1411099
                        No I'm Australian I buy Manchester for $12 a pack I can also get 4 seasons for $10 a pack
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                        • Danielle R 478487
                          That is cheap
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                        • Dada WA
                          Manchester about $16 here.
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                        • Von
                          Manchester Lights are $20 for 20 cigarettes here.... I think I'll go and have one...lol
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                        • Dada WAVon
                          Cheaper online. Thats my wifes choice of smoke.
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                        • VonDada WA
                          Thanks Dada. I'll have a look.
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                        • Dada WAVon
                          have to buy online here. Very few shops sell them. I've heard over east plenty sellers.
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                        • VonDada WA
                          There's one shop here and one in the next town but I just saw they are cheaper online...so Thanks again.
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                        • Liane H Von
                          Whoo hoo me too Von same brand and strength haha. Except mine cost $16. Cash $17 on card .. l was just thinking this morning I would be lost without my friendly little Chinese man ..like seriously! 😂
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                        • VonLiane H
                          HaHaa , send me some...I'll send you a cheque 🤣
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                        • John 1411099Von
                          where is here ??? what country ?
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                        • VonJohn 1411099
                          Liane, Dada and I are in Australia too John, just different states. I don't know where Danielle is from.
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                        • Dada WAVon
                          Remember postage online about $15 an order.
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                        • Liane H Von
                          Danielle's just moved down near me Von ..sunny little Victorian now .. she came down from sapphire coast I believe;) Soo looks like some of us are getting stiffed with our chopchop prices also then?! I've heard double happiness can go for $10 some places! Carton of mine I was quoted $150 . But is $16 per Pk. That's cashola .. wonder why there's a giant black hole in the budget ! I only buy reg brands for single stick smoking they taste better .. the rest I mix 😉
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                        • VonLiane H
                          Thanks, good to know re Danielle... I must be paying extra for transportation then...200k's from the nearest city....but they very kindly give me a free lighter if I spend over $40.....I've got a draw full! Mix?....so do I except I don't pay for it 🤫
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                        • Liane H Von
                          Oh nice one! Well clear out those knickers .. never know just how much we shall need to stock up on Vonnie!
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                        • Danielle R 478487Von
                          sunny Melbourne currently.🙂
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                        • Danielle R 478487Liane H
                          A girlfriend of mine worked for Philip Morris* she was given " white packets" of cigarettes to hand out to her friends. So at 14 I had access to free cigarettes. By the time I was 16 I was buying my own. Should never have been allowed,should never have taken them. I was young and stupid.
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                        • Liane H Danielle R 478487
                          oh wow ,and so it begins ... We were all young and naive and keen to try something new at those ages so don't feel alone in your stupidity;) I was 16 and all my friends were smoking on the way to school..in fact I never bought a full pack until I was 19 i think? But at the 10 yr school reunion ,guess who was the only smoker left ? They'd all gone and bloody quit on me ! Lol
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                        • Kellie 1654872
                          That’s a bargain! I pay $18 a pack of Manchester. In Geelong Australia. Didn’t know we could order online
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                        • Kellie 1654872
                          Where online? Hint hint lol
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                        • VonKellie 1654872
                          Hi Kellie, sorry I didn't see your reply until now. I'm in Australia.What I did was Googled "cheap cigarettes online"There's a lot to choose from. Depending on the quantity and brand, etc you want, sometimes the postage is free. I think you knew this, but if not, I hope it helps.
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                      • Dsmiles2U
                        had to quit did not know what I was smoking too many additives
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                        • Janet H 297306
                          You're right there. The additives are just scary!
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                      • DeNelda 1596490
                        I don't smoke so it doesn't affect me but it is ridiculous to pay $50.00 for a small reprieve!!
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                        • Victoria 1322770
                          It seems like the more we know about how cigarette companies tried to get people addicted, the more people smoke. I don't understand this. I also see many people buying illegal cartons of cigarettes from First Nations band members selling them on the black market. Given the health care costs associated with smoking, I think exemption cigarettes from taxation is wrong. Fully tax them, end the black market buying and crime associated with selling the cigarettes off the reservations. Then, the government can just step in and ignore cigarette theft the way they ignore other thefts, and we at least have the money to fund healthcare for everyone who still smokes.
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                          • Sandra H 2204 NSW
                            It is mad that people are willing to pay that much for cigarettes. Paying through the nose for something that is just going to kill you (slowly and painfully) is just stupid. Sorry smokers but you must know that it is true!
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                            • Grommie
                              The tragedy is the nicotine addiction. Harder to get off than heroin so people tell me
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                            • John 1411099
                              I'm a smoker but people can die from anything any age my cousin died at 21 from drugs
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                            • Sandra H 2204 NSWJohn 1411099
                              Of course you can die at any age from anything, but some things you can make sure you don't die from and drugs and smoking are definitely way up there.
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                            • John 1411099
                              Its mad you judge people stop eating junk food my life not yours your not perfect
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                            • John 1411099Sandra H 2204 NSW
                              mind your own business you can die anytime who do you think you are you hypocrite
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                            • Kellie 1654872John 1411099
                              Exactly. And you please need to hook us up on your secret online stash lol
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                          • APB
                            I think that Australia has the highest tax and its set to go up every year until someone stops them...it's a great money spinner..but it has already gone way too far....everyone who is going to give up did so a while back...the rest are not going to...so now we have organised crime supplying our cigarettes....there is gang war...fire bombing of rival shops...and the police force is expected to try and control this mess..it is a total joke...just lower the tax and take away the massive profits...morons..it is not rocket science...
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                            • Teri 1282723
                              I don't smoke but have noticed around my area, fewer people reek of it. It used to be a very high percentage because tobacco was grown here and farmers got rich off of their crops. They've all transitioned to corn or soybeans, some to apple and cherry orchards. This is due to the customers dying off in droves from complications from smoking and second-hand smoking. My area is no longer the spot for highest deaths from smoking in Ontario (maybe Canada?) I wouldn't trust black market cigarettes to be made from just legal substances. I dated a guy who bought them illegally and they smelled very different from other cigarettes I smell around town. No, not marijuana:)
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                              • Nola B 392757
                                Menthol smokes are now banned in Australia and everyone has run out of stock...I'm stuffed LOL
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                                • Kufboo (Aus)
                                  Yes, it is stupid as if we are not adults, go to independent tobacco shops and get black market ones they are available there under the counter.
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                                • APB
                                  I miss French cigarettes
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                                • GrommieAPB
                                  they are almost as rough as Camel or Turkish dhurries
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                                • APBGrommie
                                  I used to like real Camel cigarettes too...from the US..
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                                • GrommieAPB
                                  and Lucky Strike?
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                                • APBGrommie
                                  Yeah they were nice...and L&Ms...Prince cigarettes from Sweden if you were lucky too...rich and sweet...you used to be able to enjoy all the different flavours..the smell of the smoke even...they were all radically different.....happy days..now its all shit...it all tastes the same...
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                                • GrommieAPB
                                  I gave up just in time.. I had operable cancer.
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                                • Helena H
                                  I smoke menthol cigs. I get them from an Asian tobacconist, $19 pack of 20.
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                                • Denise C (Qld)APB
                                  Sobranies
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                                • Denise C (Qld)
                                  Nola try Esse Change
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                                • Denise C (Qld)
                                  Nola try Esse Change
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                                • GrommieDenise C (Qld)
                                  Balkan Sobranies, no less. Lovely colours, harsh tobacco
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                                • Denise C (Qld)Grommie
                                  yes, all show colours or black & gold
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                                • Nola B 392757Kufboo (Aus)
                                  They have all run out here
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                                • Liane H Nola B 392757
                                  Oh no Nola , I used to smoke alpine lights as 16 yr old lol .. there's some memories.. blowing it out the bathroom window feeling fresh and free as if my parents wouldn't smell it?! How about a nice line of peppermint oil along the paper or filters and let them dry out ...?
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                                • Kellie 1654872
                                  There are esse’s and Marlboro menthol with the snap thing in the filter at my cheap cigarette shop
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                                • Kellie 1654872Liane H
                                  Haha in the school toilet stalls there would be 5 of us 🤣 oh how funny
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